Malaysia Veterinary Forum (Archive)

[amiller]

This forum is perhaps one of the most interesting and intrique forum I've ever come across. It is indeed quite informative with particular reference to guidelines to improve animal health. In the modern society of today, there are more and more pet lovers mushrooming all over the globe. The human community are learning to appreciate that there are so much more than just money,oil,nuclear weapons and war. Being a professional and multipet owner myself, I frequently indulge myself into material that teaches me more to understand my pets. It has taken me quite sometime as an observer of this forun to take up some courage and share some of my PERSONAL VIEWS on this forum:

1)INTERESTING
There are plentiful general information that I've learnt and acquired for this forum. Nevertheless, it seem to me that there are several issues that does not come into conclusion.

For example:The issue on vaccine schedule and the heart worm prevention. There seem to be a disagreement among the contributors of the topics. Dr. Chong( if i'm not mistaken) have suggested a detailed vaccine schedule with a long lists of vaccines name and heartworm prevention schedule. Then there is this Mr/Ms VARANUS (who seem to know very well about animal health) disagreeing with some of his points. Following this, there were debate on whether only information posted by the registered vets should be followed or not. All these will only add CONFUSION to us as public viewer and pet lover......WHO TO TRUST???? Dr. Nat has given a very useful guideline on HOW TO CHOOSE YOUR VETERINARIAN? In the guidelines, qualification of the vet is one of the utmost important . With regards to this, may I (if it is not too awkward), enquire WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL QUALIFICATION AND CREDENTIALS of the panel of vets administrating and arbitrating this forum? How far should I accept the information posted by the panel of vets here. Back in Ireland, professional forums are only arbitrated by senior professionals who have had at least 15years of experience in their particular field of expertise. Is there any specialists of any field among this panel of vets?

2)INTRIGUE
I have also observed that this is the only forum run by professionals (vets in this case) whereby an avenue is created for the public to lambast or openly criticize any one particular clinics without boundaries. These experiences may be true or otherwise but there is definitely an urgency for the panel of vets to screen, critically analyze and not to publish any articles that may jeopardize the reputation of their fellow vets/colleagues should there be any ambiguities. Here again, there is certainly a necessity for the public viewers of this forum to know in great details the QUALIFICATION AND CREDENTIALS of each and every vet that is running this forum. Clarifications of such details would indefinitely prevent the public to challenge or question the remarks/advise/statement made by the panel of vets. In Ireland, only the authoritative council of the group of professionals are allowed to create an avenue for public complaints of any malpractice and this issues are only investigated by a group of vastly experience and reputable professionals to eradicate unethical professionals or to protect their innocence. Any misdirected accusations or miscontrued facts may lead to litigation and defamation lawsuits

CONCLUSION
I hope the sharing of my views here would not offend any of the panel of vets but as a pet lover, I must make sure information acquired for my pets are absolutely unquestionable,trust-worthy and from the real experts. Being a professional, I am disturbed to see fellow collegiates lambasting each other. The panel of vets must performed adequate critical screening to avoid war among colleagiates and maintain high esteem of your profession. Publish the TRUTH & FACTS, not GOSSIPS.

Albert Einstein once quoted:
"The most important human endeavor is the striving for morality in our actions. Our inner balance, and even our very existence depends on it. Only morality in our actions can give beauty and dignity to our lives".

[admin]

Dear amiller,

Thank you for giving us feedback on this forum. Your suggestions and opinions are greatly appreciated as it will help us to improve our service to the veterinary/animal community.

First of all, this Malaysia Veterinary Forum is established to provide a friendly common platform for the vets, pet owners, farmers, animal lovers, and everyone to discuss and share anything about animals. It is a 'SHARING FORUM' - meaning everyone (regardless of the profession, nationality, seniority, gender, race, etc..) can share their views and experience on certain issues related to the animal.

Malaysia Veterinary Forum is however NEVER designed to provide professional veterinary consultation to the members. Members are strongly adviced to the vet if their pets or farm animals exhibit signs of illness. Members can however discuss with the vets or experienced owners/farmers regarding the animal health issues but that should not be regarded as the substitute of the proper veterinary consultation. You can learn more about the forum "Terms of Use", "Disclaimer", "Rules" and many other important information of this forum at

http://vet.com.my/viewforum.php?f=1

About the qualifications. All the members who have a "Dr" prefix are qualified, licensed veterinarians. The doctors are verified by the administrative staffs through email (requires referees) or phone. And again, to learn more on this aspect, you can read the posts at:

http://vet.com.my/viewforum.php?f=28

Note that none of the vets here get paid to answer any post. The vets in the forum, like any other members, are here just to share some views/opinions or discuss some issues; or merely browsing for some interesting "animal jokes" in the "fun stuff" forum after a long day of work. Of course, sometimes they are willing to share their expertise (for free), provided that you are nice to them too :wink:

[revolgod]

Hmm, i'm new but just browsed thru the forum and notice that some clinics name was on the forum and there are some bad comments on it.

As for my opinion, as an outsider, yes, owner got all the right to give their comments and share their experiences but on the other hand the one vet's reputation got to be protected as well.

As for the comments by the owner, how sure are you that the owner is telling the truth? every one has got bad experiences, including vets, but when all these experience were published online, everybody thinks that these vets are bad and would think twice to go to them even they are nearby....

I think it will be good if this forum sticks with its objective of sharing information and education of pubilc but not sharing experience telling bad about other vets. I would say all doctors and vets are also normal human being and they try their best to save every life of human and animal. But when all this bad comments has put on to them, all their good will intension will go down to the drain.

If police were to prove somebody is guilty for a crime, they must find prove to catch the person. Same principle, if a vet or owner had did something wrong, prove it! otherwise somebody's name will be jepordised !

For me, it will be good to filter the message that you all get before it was publish for the good of both the owner and vets. This will provide better communication between the vets and owner and encourage more professional to come in.

[Dr. TanDY]

revolgod wrote:
For me, it will be good to filter the message that you all get before it was publish for the good of both the owner and vets. This will provide better communication between the vets and owner and encourage more professional to come in.

Filtering the messages has always been an issue in the forum. Some members will scream/ yell at the forum adminstrative staffs just because their post has been "slightly rephrased", let alone delete it.

Editing/Rephrasing/Moving/Deleting a post can be a very hard decision, even it is done with 100% pure good intention. Again, despite all the hardwork and effort of moderating the forum, the staff may still be labeled as "over protecting" the vets or bias to protect some members.

Worst, the forum may be lambasted as too restrictive to discuss anything useful; which may invariably follow up with the conclusion that - "Since we cannot discuss anything here, you guys might as well don't setup a forum". (And unfortunately, we did received such comments/private messages). :?

[Dr Kenny Chong]

I think everybody should stict to the rules and regulations regarding the use of this forum. The admin should be strick enough to filter any unwanted phrase or statement, like what the government said about press freedom.

[Dr Dunker]

Hello,

To the admin, we are all humans. Inperfect biengs. but u guys have done what no others have done, hence forge a path no one else have to date. while there will always be room for improvement, i simply must applaud u for ur efforts. Keep it up.

[revolgod]

Quote: Filtering the messages has always been an issue in the forum. Some members will scream/ yell at the forum adminstrative staffs just because their post has been "slightly rephrased", let alone delete it.


Correct me if i'm wrong, i'm sure you guys are able to send some private message your member. My sugesstion is if anything involving conflict between vet and owner or even public issue, it should be discuss between the moderators or even find out prove before publish it.
I totally agree with Dr. Kenny's statement. What if somebody brought out a national issue in this forum which is sensitive politically? Will you guys rephrase it or delete it or send private message to find out from the owner before publish it?
What if somebody wrote something bad about the government vet or even reputable hospitals like Animal Medical Center and Yeoh Veterinary Clinic (these are the well known clinic that i know, perhaps there's others...)? Are you guys going to filter those? Would you care about the screams and yells or put your webpage at courtsue for publishing sth that has no prove?

Quote: Worst, the forum may be lambasted as too restrictive to discuss anything useful; which may invariably follow up with the conclusion that - "Since we cannot discuss anything here, you guys might as well don't setup a forum". (And unfortunately, we did received such comments/private messages).

As a layperson, i dun think open talking bad about somebody is something useful, especially open talking about professionals who are trying to help our love ones, our faithful companion. They had tried their best and as Dunker said, we are only normal human and inperfect things. nobody will ask the moderators to saty bias at the vet side, just an advise, investigate things before you publish it.

You guys did a good job by opening a webpage which allow communication between vets and petowners. JUst hope that you guys need to be careful on the legal part of it.

[admin]

Dear all,

The issue on whether to allow posts on the complaints to vet clinics will be discussed among the forum administrative staffs. We will let you know the result of our discussion in 2-week time.

Thank you so much for your input!

[admin]

To all vets,

You can also express your view on this issue and cast your vote in the Clinical Forum - Small Animal Round. Every vote counts. The outcome of the voting will determine should the forum staff censor all posts that complain on the veterinary clinics.

(Note: If you are a vet you need to apply to Admin to upgrade your login to have a "Dr" prefix to grant access to "Veterinarian Access Only" forums)

Thanks!

[Dr Dunker]

Guys,

I may not b a vet, but i think this forum should not only delete all names of clinics but repremend those who complain about vets. This is a place to get information about pets not propaganda for or against clinics.

THose of u in the admin staff may or may not own a clinic. but if u do, would u want a forum like this to be use as a medium to damage your reputation?

Yes, there should be freedom of information but not at the expence of a vets reputation. Never to that extent.

If i am a vet or own a prectice, do u think i would still stick around in this forum when i find out that people can go about calling me an incompetent twit??? I may b wrong but the admin would like to see the forum grow right?? there is also a thing some lawyers call defamation. Trust me u dont want to get a lawyer letter.

Therefore, the question to delete the clinic name or not should not even need to be debated.

[admin]

Dear Dunker,

Thank you very much for your input. Your points have have been presented to the forum staffs. We will decide on this issue within 3-day.

We would also like to hear from the pet owners, what is your opinion on this issue?