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kcniv



Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:20 am    Post subject: Avian Influenza  

Nak tanye pendapat para Doctor2 yang saya hormati... Apakah AI (Avian Influenza) ini dapat ditularkan ke ayam-ayam yang lain atau ke manusia melalui vektor LALAT ???
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Dr Free



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: Avian Influenza  

kcniv wrote: Nak tanye pendapat para Doctor2 yang saya hormati... Apakah AI (Avian Influenza) ini dapat ditularkan ke ayam-ayam yang lain atau ke manusia melalui vektor LALAT ???

I see your location is in Indonesia. Are u from there? I will take this opportunity to practice my Indon.

Kepada Pak Kcniv,

AI adalah penyakit yang disebabkan oleh virus. Virus AI adalah pathogen yang bangat ringan. Ia bisa disebar melalui udara. Penyakt ini dikira darurat kepada unggas kerana menewas dalam masa pendek (kurang dari 4 hari pada burung yang ngak vaksin). Negara Indonesia dan China bisa vaksin AI.

Lalat ngak dikira vektor kepada virus AI.

I hope my Bahasa Indonesia bisa dipake.
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kcniv



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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Re: Avian Influenza  

Dr Free wrote: Are u from there? I will take this opportunity to practice my Indon.
Kepada Pak Kcniv,
AI adalah penyakit yang disebabkan oleh virus. Virus AI adalah pathogen yang bangat ringan. Ia bisa disebar melalui udara. Penyakt ini dikira darurat kepada unggas kerana menewas dalam masa pendek (kurang dari 4 hari pada burung yang ngak vaksin). Negara Indonesia dan China bisa vaksin AI. Lalat ngak dikira vektor kepada virus AI.
I hope my Bahasa Indonesia bisa dipake.

Haha.. Thanx Dr.Free... Actually, I'm malaysian but studying in Indon...Mengenai bahasa Doctor tuuu boleh lahhh... Gini, disinikan telah banyak kejadian AI sehingga menyebabkan kematian pada manusia...But, sampai skarang belum ada bukti bahawa virus AI itu dapat ditularkan dari manusia ke manusia... Kes2 AI pada manusia di Indonesia (especially in Jakarta), ada yang aneh, coz ada beberapa patients yang meninggal tidak pernah contact with unggas. Menurut mereka (para doctor yang sedang berdebate)..kemungkinan besar disebabkan oleh LALAT (coz this lalat hinggap di faeces)..so the virus ikut bersama-sama lalat itu ke rumah2 penduduk disitu...Then ada kes, yang bersifat cluster... so the disease hanya menyerang pada keluarga yang ada dalam satu rumah but tidak pada jiran2 yang dekat dengan mereka... WEIRD lahh this AI...
Saya berpendapat, apakah kejadian AI pada manusia ini juga bergantung kepada sistem imun seseorang... U just imagine, Indonesia itu ada 230 lebih juta penduduk... but yang kena ada kurang lebih errr 20 orang (if I'm not mistaken)... Bererti, if seseorang tidak memiliki receptor untuk virus AI, kemungkinan orang tersebut tidak peka terhadap penyakit AI ini, am I right ??? Mungkinnnnn...I don't know juga... Hehehe...

Mungkin Doctor punya pendapat lain... :wink:
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Dr Free



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:56 am    Post subject: Re: Avian Influenza  

I think it is not fair for me to give much opinion on the bird flu virus. This is because there are a lot more learned scientist and researcher who should be the one making teory and facts.

I shall stick to what I know so far. Bird flu is a deadly disease to birds which can be spread by air. So far it have been proven it can be spread from bird to human but not yet human to human. But the human that got it are usually the one that are immunosuppress (old, sick) or immuno-incompetent (children). Cases in Indonesia somehow do not fit this characteristic. But that doesn't mean it is impossibble.

Fly may not be same type of vector in same sense as aedes is vector to dengue fever. Dengue virus lives in aedes mosquito which acts as host. So far AI have not been proven to lives in fly yet. So I don't consider fly as vector in this sense. It is just a mechanical transporter.

THIS POINT BELOW IS FOR DISCUSSION SAKE AND IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT. JUS PURELY MY THOUGHT.

Let just say if AI virus infect the human. But since it is a weak virus against human, our immune system can easily fight it off. Since the human immunosystem have fight it off before, there will be some level of antibody against the AI virus. Then the human dies of other causes. That human will have antibody against AI. If they use Elisa test or any test that depend on antibody, there is a big possibility the test will show positive result because the antibody against AI is present. But does this means the AI kill that human. The answer is no. It is a false diagnosis. Just a positive test is not a confirm diagnosis.
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