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Choy · Joined: 10 Sep 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Athens, Georgia

Hi guys...i have a very hypothetical questions for u guys. The question actually got me thinking for a few days....not sure whether the same problem had happened to you before or it is something u commonly seen during final yeat

Anyway, the question is imagine a situation where someone (a private practiconeer) comes to you and tell you that his/her clinic has an opening. He assumes you will spread the news and tell the rest of the coursemates. But what if the news was kept to him/her self and probably to a few close friends only. So where is your stand....is it normal.....is it naive for me to think that the news should be shared equally among others or we should think of ourself first, which i think is not totally wrong as the real world is competitive and you have to fight for yourself...afterall it is the survival of the fittest.... Give me your comment. Where to do you stand?

Dr Nat · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1834 Location: Klang Valley

Of course, I'd say its better to share. :) But then again, I'm very "ideal" (some people may consider this a big 'problem').

But if you decide to hog it all to yourself, do remember that the vet community is very very very small. Sooner or later people are gonna find out what you did, and even more obvious if you got the job. And it definitely is not fair for the vet that is providing the vacancy. I'm sure he/she would want to find the person to best suit the job.

Dr. TanDY · Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

If the vet has opening the best thing to do is post the vacancy in the forum. That way everyone has equal access to the info. After all, it is free job posting. Much better than posting in "student's room" in the vet faculty where it tends to get lost (stolen by some "kiasu" people).

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 464 Location: Puchong,Selangor

Simple, tell every one and your mother and uncles while u are at it. It makes no difference since if u are really good, u WILL get the job. the more ppl u tell the more competition u get, and if u win and get the job, then it means something. what kind of bragging rights u get if u win a two man race? I would rather come last in a 100 man race and tell ppl that i tried, then to come first in a two man race and look like a total moron bragging about it. (I have a severe ego problem). but that's just me. U have to think for yourself what is right. It is your future after all. Most of my buddies in small animal practice got the job coz the jobs came hunting for them. Most of them have their own practice now for more then 2 years...goes to show their capabilities and the confidence they have for their own abilities. By the way the phrase 'back stabing' is used most often in the final year. One finds out who ones true friends are and more importantly you get to find out who YOU really are.

varanus · Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 469

IMO, should share. But that's ideal. How many people will do it. Like I mentioned before, student tend to be too ideal. Not to say it is bad, but can you take it. I guess now it's the time you guys feel the competitive world out there. It will only get tougher. You will start to see a real person or should I see the tail expose, under extreme stress condition.

It's good to share. But you can't criticise the one who doesn't. You can only blame the vet for not telling him more specifically the vet wanted the news to be announced. Whether the guy or the group of people you mentioned are high achiever or borderline result, one thing definitely good about them is there are more resourceful. That make them deserve the job. If you guys think you are so great and the job offers will automatically land on your table or the private practitioner will come to beg you to work for them, you are wrong. You got to be more resourceful, make more contacts, beside excel in the class.

For those who hog the opportunity to yourself, good luck and god bless you. You will most likely to be drown in hatred. The small animal world is very small, rumours and gossip travel faster than you can imagine. I understand Choy's feeling because we gone throuh the same thing. One very big private practice in Cheras was looking for vet, many knows but not a few of us. Don't know about job application and interview. At the end of the day, I got a last minute interview (ponteng clinical conference) and got the job.

One think which I hate about the job hunting are the top scorers. Some will grab as many job as possible so that they got to choose the best for themselve. Send resume for every application and go for job interview wherever possible. Even after got job offer. That is very selfish. Not fare for other classmate and employer. How do you feel if you are the employer. You offer the guy a job but got refused because there are better job offer. I hope the top gun in your class will not do that, be considerate to average student. You guys will feel it later.

Dr Chong · Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 666 Location: KL

Better to share. Believe me, it won't stay a secret for long.

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 464 Location: Puchong,Selangor

FOr some of us, job hunting started in the first and second year itself. Some ppl were helping out in places and geting skills and the 'feel' of things very early on. It is an investment one should have done in the early stages of vet school. NOw everybody is madly rushing for the perfect job when what u should be doing is geting redy for "DA BIG ONE".

WHen i went for my job interview (i only went to one, had i not gotten the job, only then i will look for another one). I was soo darn sure i will NOT pass and told my future bos that i was sorry but i dont think i should be hired. I got the job...luck i think- but i think only hard workers get lucky.

Dr Nat · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1834 Location: Klang Valley

I wonder why u were still hired, though u told your interviewer to not hire you?? If someone told me tat, I'd probably not hire tat person (I'm not saying you dunker, but in general). Maybe it goes to show, that no matter how much the "perfect" job is fought for in class, there's still a lot more vacancies out there - and who knows if the lesser known ones are the ones that are perfect for you.

I myself didn't want to fight with my other classmates for the "perfect" job. But went for a couple of interviews after most of the fighting died down. I turn down a few, got turn downed by some, but ultimately settled for the least popular one. And I'm glad I got it :)

Another tip: don't listen to rumours/gossips about your future or potential bosses. Things always seem out of proportion when you listen to gossips. But it might turn out well for yourself.

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 464 Location: Puchong,Selangor

Dunno, i have been wondering about the same thing. As i said, could be due to my work as a student in clinics, could be luck or maybe the way i talked...or maybe i was just that good. BUt i must stress that i said i did not think he should hire me but i did also said that i want the job and will wait fo the answer before moving on the next job. i think it could be that simple fact that made me edge 7 other aplicants and got the job.

Dr HanMRCVS · Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 560 Location: Johor Bahru

Wow, looks like the most of you guys here are quite the pacifist! well, cause i did the same as most of you guys did. did not really hurried to get a job but was in a hurry to get sloshed big time.

i do believe jobs do tend to bring out the competitive streak in most of ppl and even the ugly side to some of us. but i do urge you guys to take it easy cause you guys have been together for 5 years, and dont let these things to get in the way in your professional career together!

Dr Nat · Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 1834 Location: Klang Valley

Well, Dr Dunker, I think that in that interview, you may have only said a small portion of negative words.. but the whole interview must have gave a good positive vibe to your employer. :)

I'd like to add on here that a lot of interviewers/employers do not necessarily look for the students with the best results. Everything else also comes into play, including how well you do work, your experience, who you know, your wonderful personality, your work ethics and beliefs, how well you get on with your employer, etc. It also depends on what the employer is looking for.

Dr Chong · Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 666 Location: KL

Dr Dunker wrote: i only went to one, had i not gotten the job, only then i will look for another one

Haha, same to me. :D

Dr Chong · Joined: 12 Dec 2005 Posts: 666 Location: KL

Dr Nat wrote: I'd like to add on here that a lot of interviewers/employers do not necessarily look for the students with the best results. Everything else also comes into play, including how well you do work, your experience, who you know, your wonderful personality, your work ethics and beliefs, how well you get on with your employer, etc. It also depends on what the employer is looking for.

True. Almost all will not test your knowledge at time of interview, most even don't bother to look at your certs/results/dean lists... :wink:

hanns · Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 10 Location: serdang

Even when we r still studying, some have shown their selfishness, sometimes it's quite a sad thing.

lcs · Joined: 05 Jul 2006 Posts: 65

( i know this actually happen in my class) i just want to make comments. ha!! ha!! 'share or not share' thats human behavior. but one thing have to bare in our mind is if that person share with you the news, she/he is nice; but if the person just keep it as the secret, then it's not his or her fault. am i right?? i think that's his or her personal attitude. let talk about this case,honestly, is that so many ppl in the class want to work at that place that's offer the job?? i think many ppl out there in the class just have this kind of thinking " others have it, i must have it. " for example, you know where to get a bun, then every person in the class also seeking for a bun, and all of the ppl in the class are hungry, honestly, will you ask all of them where to get that bun????? human wont share if they, themselves dont have "extra". Again, thats human behaviour. let's think positively, he or she just have one pair of hand, he/she cant graps eveythings, the most he/she can is just work in one place, so i think we should let him/her alone. we, ourselves just try our best to our own things done, others ppl bussines, just let them alone. share or not share?? no comment. i thinks if you yourself really wanna get the job, why not you yourself go to approach the clinic, perform and show that you really want to work in that clinic.