Malaysia Veterinary Forum (Archive)

varanus · Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 472

I beg to differ, kenny 8282. he preclinical, paraclinical and clinical year is just like levels for you to proceed in order to reach a standard---> Veterinary Surgeon. You will realise that in clinical years, it is actually a combination of the preclinical, paraclinical and clinical study. If only study subject in clinical year, you will not understand and you tend to memorise the facts, dosage, medicine.... You will soon realise that in order to understand a disease, you need to understand the normal (preclinical) and then the factors and agent (paraclinical) that interact with the normal (preclinical) to result in the disease or disease condition (clinical).

Many said anatomy is useless but wait till you see the surgery class then you will realise how helpless you are. Dr Rashid will say that this is not surgery, surgery is an art. This is butchering". Many hates histology and never appreciate. Wait till you see histopathology. If you can't identity the normal, you can't differentiate diseased from normal. We used to have Dr Chulan to guide us. He is a fine man, perfectionist. He trained us to be who we are. You guys are not as lucky. Pray to God that you will still have our Ex Dean, Dato to teach.

varanus · Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 472

BTW, my bike is Aprilia RSV 1000 Factory. Interested in bike. Comelah to Sepang during track day or go up Awana on Sunday morning. Can easily see over 100 bikes there.

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 466 Location: Puchong,Selangor

I must say, the one thing that i would have changed if i were to once again become a student is to PAY ATTENTION in classes. In that i have an attention span of a jack russel...about 10 to 15 minuties. After that my brain shuts down and i go zzzzzzz. I have mastered the art of sleeping in almost any class by the time i was in final year. Of coz i tend to work my butt off at night and feel sleepy during the day. And the cycle goes on and on. Cant help it when my brain activity peaks at 2 am in the morning.

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 466 Location: Puchong,Selangor

In vet program, it is all about building blocks...if your foundations are not strong enough, one cant go too far. even if u memorized an entire book of small animal med and vomit it out in an exam and maybe get an 'A' u might vety well be a disaster of a vet when u go out.

U students ever wonder WHY dr csh is pumping out interactive rounds after rounds?? As students u are train to think like students, but the trick is, no one trains u to think like vets. that is why interactive rounds are not just good but bloody down right important. It makes u think like vets. granted, majority of students may not yet get the whole picture of vet med (large or small animal) but that is beside the point. The goal is to learn to think like a vet. knowledge will come over time.

In books they discribe to u in great detail what diseases look like and how to treat but in order for that infomation to b useful one needs to diagnose. And to dianose one needs to ask questions and to ask questions one needs to have somthing in mind to rule out or in. Dont ask questions blindly, dont assume and giv a diagnosis and spend time looking for clinical signs supporting your assumed diagnosis.

One of our lecturers use to say "look for clincal signs and find a diagnosis, dont diagnose and look for clincal signs". I follow that cread as much as i can. I hope u guys do that too.

HAving said all that...one may find that exams and finals are not THAT big a deal. BUt i must stress that i was never a top gun in class and some may consider me nothing more then a bottom feeder in tthe student food chain so what i say may be nothing more then rave and rantings of a rabid vet. But as i said, when u grad, all that test scores count for almost nothing. You will see. :P

NOte: i said test scores may amount to almost nothing...but it does not mean that it is ok to know nothing when u grad!!!!!

Dr. TanDY · Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject:

Quote: But as i said, when u grad, all that test scores count for almost nothing. You will see.

I beg to differ a bit though. Study hard and try to be excellent. Good is not good enough. At the end of the day when you get a good grade, you feel proud and it is "all-worth-it". If you plan to continue your postgrad study, good grade does make a different. Some study loans also give you "discount" if you get a good grade so that you only have to pay back a tiny fraction of your loan, or better, no need to pay back at all.

Anyhow that's just my personal opinion. Try your best and make full use of your potential in the 5-year vet student's life. I would say you will be very much confident later in your career if you do well in your uni life.

Dr csh · Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 427

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Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 466 Location: Puchong,Selangor

I am in practice and since i cant for the life of me, imagine myself doing anyother thing, i do look at things from one angle. But as a reasearcher i would understand the importance of aceing subjects. I am an end user, in that, i use drugs developed by researchers and learn form teachers...end result...we in practice (small or large animal) are in the frontlines of saving lives.

What i am getting to is that it does not matter if u have a 4.0 GPA 0r a 2.0GPA. What truly is important is what u have in your head when u get out and practice, treat and save lives. Hence for those of u in the top 90% of ur class dont be too dishartended if ur test scores make u look like a doofus. but for those in the top 10%...pls remember the test scores does not indicate how smart u are. :wink: Bottom line...work hard...u got a dr in front of ur name in the future work so u deserve it. The world have no place for lazy ppl.

S.A.Tan · Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 19

can i know how to study for the 4th sem?what should i focus on?stress for 3th sem la.

Dr csh · Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 427

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Dr. TanDY · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject:

Work in group. Form a team. Each one in the team contributes a bit in finding info/ answering the past year questions... Then share the hardwork with the team members. That way you learn and revise faster than working alone. Of course everyone must be committed, else it will end up wasting your time in chit-chat or "partying".

varanus · Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 472

Group study was not the thing for me. Tend to deviate to something else and talk nonsense and gossiping.

Choose your groupmate wisely. Groupmates can end up not talking to each other. When people is pit under stress, you can start seeing the true identity and potential. That's when you know who can be your friend and who can't.

Some time the group is not fixed by you. Instead of complaining and protesting, just learn to adapt to it. When you come out ot work, you can't choose to your team.

Dr Kwok · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 131 Location: Selangor

Last time during the first year i was very kia su, no matter who got any pass year or notes i sure must photostat and memorise everything... eventually i think this is not the correct way of learning, and it takes too much time and energy out of me.

the lazier and lazier I became throughtout the years, but i know what is important and what need to be study. Sometimes if i realised i miss out something which other coursemates had read, I also don feel panic. I just make the best out of myself.. and I m proud to say i maintain my grades until the last sem.

I don think we should choose to only excel in subjects which we like. Coz even if you don want to be a farm vet you should know some basics about cattle and poultry. and it is your responsiblity to study all and a respect to the lecturer also.
Some more, you might not get the job you like immediately after you grad. so the basic are important no matter how.

But BELIEVE me , grades are nothing when you graduate unless you want to further study or aim first class ( maybe ptptn free? ) if you plan to work ( which most upm vet student did) go as many practical as possible. the experience will prepare you well .

Dr Kwok · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 131 Location: Selangor

For those who really want to score, maybe can pin point out some subjects which you find difficult and then we all can try to give some opinion. :)

chinginy · Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 13

Looks like you guys have a lot of help i.e. questions and possibly answers from previous years. There is nothing wrong in putting in extra effort and trying to do well in your studies. You need to have the basic knowledge and strong foundation on most subjects. For example, if you do not know your anatomy well you may be staring at a radiograph, not knowing what to look for or not knowing what you're palpating when you're performing a rectal or detail physical examination. Sometimes you need to ask yourself ... Do you want to be an average veterinarian or someone who always strive for excellence?? At least be an above-average veterinarian......someone who can contribute to the veterinary profession and serve the public better.

Dr Dunker · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 466 Location: Puchong,Selangor

U know, as a student u should push yourself to do better and better. Good enough just does not cut it for me. u push hard and smart and your test scores may tell u if u are doing things right. BUt the main reason is so that one have adopt the right attitude in the working world. a vet that sits and does not improve is a sham! the worst ting is that there is no system to monitor u on your knowledge when u become vets so u must alredy have the fire in you to improve. THAT is the larger picture.

I agree with kwok in that one must not select fav subjects to score and ignore the rest. I must also in all fairness state that i was just that kind of person. When i work my heart leads and not my brain. if somthing fails to interst me my heart goes else where and my brain thend to jam. Life is too short for me to do things i dont like. BUT as students it is highly unprofessional to do that.